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Topic Started: Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM (2,955 Views)
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That doesn't refer to power. He went beyond SSJG by absorbing it and making the power his own. He was only stated to surpass Super Saiyan God power wise after obtaining Super Saiyan Blue.
Everything in the narrative points to SSJG Goku>Goku(post god).
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It's kinda unbelievable that ssjg goku was 320x stronger than Ssj goku isn't it? I understand what you're saying how goku didn't feel weaker than he was before because he had ssjg's power in him still but it sounds weird narratively for there to be that big of a gap
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Also, I don't think we can say vegeta can obviously turn ssjg. He has God ki but if God ki is just what ssjg is then he'd be turning red
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Episode 15

Minute: 5
Context: Vegeta stands out in the middle of nowhere, reflecting on Goku's fight with Beerus.
Vegeta: "He surpassed it. Super Saiyan God. The level of gods."

f***ing found the quote. I finally found you motherf***er! I told you all I would find it

So does this mean ssj goku>ssjg?
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No, that isn't a power statement and Vegeta couldn't even sense SSJG Goku to make a comparison. Goku went beyond it by absorbing the form and making it his own.

The only time Super Saiyan God is stated to be surpassed power wise is when Super Saiyan Blue is introduced.
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It is a power statement. What else would it be? He sensed Ssj goku and Ssj goku said he didn't feel any weaker

Simply absorbing the form and making it his own doesn't mean he surpassed the form. That doesn't make sense
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No, it's not. We already went through this and you're back to cherrypicking quotes. Vegeta never sensed SSJG Goku.

Goku went beyond SSJG since he absorbed it and made the power his own. The power he had post god was not on par with SSJG.

Nothing indicates that SSJG's actual power level was surpassed until Super Saiyan Blue came along.

Edit: Just rewatched and Vegeta says nothing about "surpassing god" even though that doesn't have to be about power. He just says that Goku obtained Super Saiyan God's power, then evolved it which once again, is just a reference to him absorbing the power, not exceeding SSJG's actual power level.

"That guy surpassed me again. He achieved the power of Super Saiyan God....and even evolved it during his fight with Beerus."
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Vegeta literally says goku surpassed Ssj God, the level of the god. I don't understand how you can twist that to mean anything else. Vegeta says he surpassed it but you're saying no he's weaker

You're saying that goku absorbed ssjg and made it his own. Correct. You also say that he's weaker. Ok. But somehow makes him beyond ssjg? That doesn't add up with vegeta's statement at all. It doesn't make sense. Vegeta's statement is supposed to mean that although goku has "surpassed" Ssjg, he's actually weaker, but we can still say he's beyond it? What does even mean?

None of this adds up and it all stems from the scene where beerus taunts goku and so I think you might be putting too much thought into
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Goku "surpassed" it because the power of God fully merged with his own after it faded away. He has all of God's power, but without the time limit that comes with the form. He didn't get weaker.
That would fit under the definition of "surpass". That doesn't contradict anything that was shown. Goku still can't use SSJG's full power as a mere SSJ.

Only Super Saiyan Blue was stated to exceed Super Saiyan God power wise, not anything that Goku did before that.

Absolutely nothing would indicate that post god Goku was stronger than SSJG Goku outside of this one quote that you're misinterpreting.

And that ignores Vegeta only stating that Goku evolved SSJG, even though the word surpass doesn't inherently mean that post god Goku is stronger than SSJG Goku.

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I'm not overthinking it. Yes, it's a taunt, but saying that would invalidate Beerus' words doesn't make any sense. He stated that Goku's power should be greater than what he was showing.

Beerus taunted Goku into using more power because he wasn't using power that was SSJG level.
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Beerus expecting more power from Goku is more likely his disappointment in this grand opponent that was supposed to be worth fighting... considering "everything in the narrative" points to [Post-SSjG] SSj Goku being equal to or surpassing his SSjG self.

Beerus' Expectations of SSjG > [Post-SSjG] SSj Goku = SSjG Goku
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Nothing in the narrative points to that and no you're misinterpreting it. Again you can't just blatantly ignore statements that state that Goku only exceeded SSJG with the introduction of SSB. You can't just cherrypick certain quotes and take them out of context.

Post god Goku was just stated to have evolved SSJG, which is just a reference to him making all of the temporary power his own and becoming a Saiyan Beyond God.

If Beerus taunts Goku saying that his power should be greater due to making the God power his own, then he isn't using power on par with God. It's that simple.
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Idk anymore tbh. I'm torn. On one hand there's a lot I'm seeing that says Ssj goku>=ssjg goku. But on the other hand ssjg is listed as a separate thing and ssjb is stated to be a form that surpasses it so maybe goku wasn't ssjg level anymore

Either way ssj goku post God even if he's just a small fraction of ssjg's power it's still unbelievable that vegeta needed to turn Ssj to one shot frost
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